Sit & Go Win Rates

[villaskid]

I just recently decided to take my Sit & Go statistics a little more seriously. Not that I haven't logged my results, as I keep very detailed daily statistics. This brings me to my question though. What do you guys consider a solid win rate for Sit & Gos? I'll mainly be playing $10 + $1 on stars for now, but I'm just curious as to what to expect. So far I can tell you that I've noticed that the variance is gonna be a biatch in this things. Any info or advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. PEACE!!!

[Barton]

So far I can tell you that I've noticed that the variance is gonna be a biatch in this things.


Just before I started propping I played exclusively sit and goes for 2 months all 33$ buyings. In March I played about 250 of them and had an average return of 15$ each. In April playing a similiar number I had a return of zero.

[Erwinius]

I just recently decided to take my Sit & Go statistics a little more seriously. Not that I haven't logged my results, as I keep very detailed daily statistics. This brings me to my question though. What do you guys consider a solid win rate for Sit & Gos? I'll mainly be playing $10 + $1 on stars for now, but I'm just curious as to what to expect. So far I can tell you that I've noticed that the variance is gonna be a biatch in this things. Any info or advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. PEACE!!!
I play mostly $30, $50 and $100 sit and goes, my ROI is between 20 and 30%. With a good RB or PD you can add another 3 - 12%.

[villaskid]

Where do I find software that I can track my results? I'm sure PT works correct? I used to have an older version but don't have it downloaded to my pc any longer. Also I don't feel like buying it again, but if I have to I guess I have to. Are their any other software programs out there? Another question. What the hell is a RB or DT?

[Barton]

What the hell is a RB or DT


RB = rake back
PD = prop deal maybe

My poker tracker wanted me to manually enter where I placed every time so I said the hell with it. You can use poker tracker for the info on your opps and just keep your results in a spread sheet.

[killab2482]

use sharkscope.com...they track all SNG's

[Cornholio]

Where do I find software that I can track my results? I'm sure PT works correct? I used to have an older version but don't have it downloaded to my pc any longer. Also I don't feel like buying it again, but if I have to I guess I have to. Are their any other software programs out there? Another question. What the hell is a RB or DT?
You can transfer your old PT license to your new PC (or your current one if you just uninstalled it).. you don't have to buy it again. You just email them and they send you a new activation code.

[Onaflag]

Variance is low. Probably the lowest variance of all poker games for a winning player. That's what's so attracting. Fabulous bankroll builder for newish players. Most winning players realize an income cap and move to cash.

PT works just fine for tracking SNGs. I haven't played them in a couple years and use HEM now, but I suppose HEM will do just as well if not better.

Your ROI will be lower than quoted earlier in this thread. 10-15% I suppose at the lower levels long term. And someone mentioned Sharkscope......if you are going to do these things full time, then get an account there to get more than 5 free searches a day, but at the 10+1s, because they fill up so fast, not sure of you could table select all that well anyway.

And read this - http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/36/stt-strategy/announcement63.html

Onaflag..........

[Erwinius]

I think also a keyfactor for increasing your profits is playing on a site with rakeback or even better on a site which hires props.
Good deals offer 85% - 120% for $50 Tourneys and higher.
These Sit and Goes have about 5 -15 min waiting time to start.

[villaskid]

Thanks for all the info guys. I try to play on the majors when playing them as they tend to fill up a lot more frequently. Not to mention that when propping I'd rather much just be in a few cash games. I'm using this experience with the Sit & Gos to begin getting comfortable playing tournaments. I'm mostly a cash game player, but everyone that knows me keeps trying to get me to play more tournaments. Also I'm using it as a break from propping and the constant grind of cash game play. As far as PT goes, I'll have to contact them and get a new access code. Does anyone know if my hand histories will still be there from b4? Also is it a pain in the ass to enter the SNG stats or will it do it automatically? Another thing. Didn't Stars ban the use of Sharkscope? Sorry for the long post, but i wanted to address everyone elses posts in this thread. thanks again for all the info. PEACE!!!

[Barton]

Does anyone know if my hand histories will still be there from b4?


I know the hand histories are stored on your own machine. So if it's the same machine (or you still have the old machine) they are on there somewhere.

[Onaflag]

Friends who try to talk a winning cash grinder into switching to tournaments are evil people who are secretly plotting your demise. The best play here is to find new friends or just simply kill the ones you have.

Or I suppose you could just ignore them, smile politely, continue the grind and profit as they slowly lose their minds to the variance of MTTs. :cool:

[villaskid]

This is a hilarious post. Only because I agree 1000% Why bang my head against the wall every time I don't cash, or for that matter go out in the first level, when i can just continue to do so every time I get sucked out on in a cash game?? My point to them which they can't understand is that at least I'm still in the cash game after the suck out, and over time I'm sure to end up with the chips no matter what variance has to say about it!!! That might sound cocky to some, but I've found that's the attitude you have to have if you indeed wanna be a winning player.....:D

[Barton]

I think sit and go's are a lot different than MTT. I've never read any stats but I bet for good players S & G's may have lower variance than cash games, especially short handed cash games.

[bdizzle]

I think the ROI here are Very Good:
$5 - 15%-20% ROI
$10 - 13%-16% ROI
$20 - 11%-14% ROI
$30 - 9%-12% ROI
$50 - 8%-10% ROI
$100- 6%-8% ROI
$100+ 4%-6% ROI

But you need 700-1000 games to get a feel for your real ROI. Like another poster said when you throw in rakeback and sitngo leaderboards or battle of the planets your ROI will go up. Those figures were for just games played.

[killab2482]

UsernameGames PlayedAv. ProfitAv. StakeAv. ROITotal ProfitFormNetworkFilterkillab_24_82 (http://www.sharkscope.com/index.html#graphs) 1,605$17 $83 20%$27,664 HotPokerStars (http://www.sharkscope.com/SharkScope/URLTracker?id=31)x (http://www.sharkscope.com/index.html#)

here's my stats when i use to be a s@g (s@g) pro for 6 months...i had lots of success at the $100-200 on ps and then graduated to partypoker's $500 and 1,000....my ROI on $100 games were between 23-25.5%, so they were very beatable for me, but i don't know what is considered good stats...i would suggest a site that offers rb because u will get hammered by the rake on s@g's

[killab2482]

at $10 i was between 37.5-40%ROI and at $30 i was at 47% ROI with 133 tourneys...i don't believe i put in too many tourneys to get truthful stats at this level...but use sharkscope.com to track your stats...if u want to track your opponents s@g rates get a subscription or else poker tracker should be good enough

[villaskid]

Thanks barton. So far so good. I do not like the fact that u have to manually add the results. Maybe it's just enough to know that I'm a winning player. I mean i cash 80% of the time @ Stars. Dunno what that means exactly but i assume it makes me a winner. GL to everyone and thanks for the info!!!!!

[bdizzle]

Nobody in the world cashes at a 80% clip in sitngos over a good sample size of 700-1000 sng's.

[villaskid]

No doubt. That's why Ill wait to see where I'm at after about 1000 games. I still guarantee I'm a winning player at those things though, but I guess we'll know in a few weeks won't we.

[Barton]

think the ROI here are Very Good:
$5 - 15%-20% ROI
$10 - 13%-16% ROI
$20 - 11%-14% ROI
$30 - 9%-12% ROI
$50 - 8%-10% ROI
$100- 6%-8% ROI
$100+ 4%-6% ROI



I think those are realistic (and very good) long term. And note if you can find a site with 100% or even 75% rakeback those numbers would be about double.

[villaskid]

I agree they are probably in the right ball park. the only problem is that if you find a site that is going to give you 75 or 100% there will be no volume of players. I prefer the majors since I can sit down at my pc and in a matter of minutes have the 4 games going that I like to be in. If anyone knows where I can get a descent rake back on a site with many S & G players. Please let me in on the secret...:D

[villaskid]

On another note. Does anyone have some P4E money to transfer. I'm looking for like $200. I have Stars, and possibly Carbon? Anyone?

[rob]

I can help on P4E, ship to payneverbeg (toronto) on Stars then email me. I'll be slow as I'm on vacation.

[Barton]

If anyone knows where I can get a descent rake back on a site with many S & G players. Please let me in on the secret.


You can get 30% or so at Tilt I think, they fill fairly quick

[villaskid]

It might be a day or two Rob. I wasn't expecting such a quick response. Thanks.

[villaskid]

Actually I decided to send it now. Ill send you an email as well. Thanks again.