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OPmgrCHIP
09-05-2007, 04:24 PM
Hello all,

I figured I'd start a topic on posting hands that we all encounter and then perhaps having each of you contribute by giving your thoughts and suggestions. Anyone is welcome to post their hands here and have it analyzed by all. Lil constructive criticsm might help us all. :-)

OPmgrCHIP
09-05-2007, 04:38 PM
Ok I'll go 1st,

In a 6 handed 1/2 PL Omaha Hi game:

BB: $350
SB: $200
Button(ME): $265
Cutoff: $180
UTG+2: $80
UTG: $480

UTG limps, UTG+1 raises to $8, Cutoff folds, I call $8(9c9h8d8s), SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls

Flop: Qs 9s 3h

UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, I bet $24, UTG raises to $92, UTG+1 calls all in, I fold

Turn 8c river 3d

UTG flips up KsJsTh3c for a straight
UTG+1 flips up AsAh7d4c for a two pair

I ran the math and I actually was behind 1% on the flop. I figured he check raised with top set or a monster draw which is fairly common in PL Omaha. Does anyone agree with my fold here?

Noah
09-05-2007, 05:02 PM
I don't. I get it all in on the flop.

There's going to be draws out there nearly every hand in PLO. You flopped the 2nd nuts, middle set. Unless you are absolutely sure one of them has QQQ, you should get it all in. You don't have any redraws, but it's not too often that you're going to flop a set with redraws anyway.

If you're folding that hand on that flop, you need to muck it preflop instead.

bcblackforgotnameagain
09-05-2007, 06:31 PM
I would never fold a set on that type of board. Only way I would ever consider it is against a nit or 2, and we are 200bb+ deep.

OPmgrCHIP
09-05-2007, 06:40 PM
Ya, I really really hated folding here, but due to the fact ive been constantly running into top set lately and losing to these draws I decided to fold. Ive seen this move plenty of times where early pos check raises with top set to induce bettin and push the pot to eliimate other drawing hands. A simple lead out bet does not tend to get people to fold since they all have the proper price to draw.

Ah well, I actually ended up winnin a few nice pots after folding this one and broke the player who I folded to in this hand. :-)

Barton
09-05-2007, 11:23 PM
Sigh.....

I just spent 2 hours telling you what a moron you are for playing 9988 then I noticed it's Omaha HIGH ONLY.

Never mind :D

OPmgrCHIP
09-06-2007, 01:11 AM
Sigh.....

I just spent 2 hours telling you what a moron you are for playing 9988 then I noticed it's Omaha HIGH ONLY.

Never mind :D
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LMAO

OPmgrCHIP
09-07-2007, 02:47 AM
In the nightly Stars 100k Guarantee, down to 23 players

UTG: 30,000
UTG + 2(Me): 60,000
Button: 101,000
Rest of players fold preflop

Blinds are 3k - 6k

UTG raises all in to 30,000
I reraise all in for 60,000
Button calls 60,000

UTG = AJ os
ME = 99
Button = AK os

Board A 3 5 3 Q

I bust out 21st, 150k pot wulda put me in 6th and most likely a final table. SO sick.....I ended up cashin 4/5 events. Not a bad run but not good enough results either. :-(

Barton
09-07-2007, 02:03 PM
Sometimes Tourneys are just such donkathons it's funny. Last night I;m playing Stars HORSE tourney. I'm about 35th with 40 left only pays final 8. In stud/8 I get (A10)10 I don't like a hand like this but I'm short stacked and everyone has a low card. A 2 brings it in I raise and 3 other low cards call the 2 reraise I cap, I'm basically pot committed now. We cap 4th st with a couple other low draws along for the ride and I'm all in by 5th. I still have only my pair and one of my 10's is dead. 6th I blank and all others drop. Turns out the 2 wasnt a low draw he was rolled up 222 I hit the case 10 he blanks and I go from 35th to 3rd.

Now holdem starts 2nd hand I get AA this loses head up to J8 third hand I get 1010 this loses heads up to 54 now I'm back to 35th or so.

We proceed along with me giving and getting 2 and 3 outers and I reach the final table when this hand comes up. I'm again short stacked.

Stud Hi/Lo Limit) - Level XV (800/1600) - 2007/09/07 - 03:22:35 (ET)
Table '59837929 4' 8-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: Barton (6118 in chips)
Seat 3: happycat (10569 in chips)
Seat 4: toitlkatgr (11054 in chips)
Seat 5: JeffPico (14946 in chips)
Seat 6: munchkin_man (3992 in chips)
Seat 7: acj78549 (53281 in chips)
Seat 8: lbstan (12040 in chips)
lbstan: posts the ante 160
Barton: posts the ante 160
happycat: posts the ante 160
toitlkatgr: posts the ante 160
JeffPico: posts the ante 160
munchkin_man: posts the ante 160
acj78549: posts the ante 160
*** 3rd STREET ***
Dealt to Barton [9s As 6s]
Dealt to happycat [4s]
Dealt to toitlkatgr [3s]
Dealt to JeffPico [4h]
Dealt to munchkin_man [Jh]
Dealt to acj78549 [7s]
Dealt to lbstan [Js]

Note thats a pretty shitty stud/8 hand and 5 of the 7 players have a spd showing

toitlkatgr: brings in for 240
JeffPico: folds
munchkin_man: folds
acj78549: folds
lbstan: folds
Barton: raises 560 to 800

If I can get by happy cat maybe I can steal the ante's

happycat: raises 800 to 1600

toitlkatgr: folds

Barton: calls 800

Oh well that didnt work

*** 4th STREET ***
Dealt to Barton [9s As 6s] [5s]
Dealt to happycat [4s] [6c]
Barton: checks
happycat: bets 800
Barton: calls 800
*** 5th STREET ***
Dealt to Barton [9s As 6s 5s] [2d]
Dealt to happycat [4s 6c] [Qc]
happycat: bets 1600
Barton: calls 1600
*** 6th STREET ***
Dealt to Barton [9s As 6s 5s 2d] [2s]
Dealt to happycat [4s 6c Qc] [5h]
Barton: bets 1600
happycat: raises 1600 to 3200
Barton: calls 358 and is all-in

Things look like they turned out pretty well

*** RIVER ***
Dealt to Barton [9s As 6s 5s 2d 2s] [Ts]

I catch my 6th spd. A little pissed I didnt make my low

*** SHOW DOWN ***
Barton: shows [9s As 6s 5s 2d 2s Ts] (HI: a flush, Ace high)
happycat: shows [2c Ac 4s 6c Qc 5h Tc] (HI: a flush, Ace high - Queen higher; LO: 6,5,4,2,A)

happycat collected 6638 from pot
happycat collected 6638 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 13276 | Rake 0
Seat 1: Barton showed [9s As 6s 5s 2d 2s Ts] and lost with HI: a flush, Ace high
Seat 3: happycat showed [2c Ac 4s 6c Qc 5h Tc] and won (13276) with HI: a flush, Ace high; LO: 6,5,4,2,A
Seat 4: toitlkatgr folded on the 3rd Street
Seat 5: JeffPico folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 6: munchkin_man folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 7: acj78549 (button) folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 8: lbstan folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)

bcblackforgotnameagain
09-07-2007, 02:41 PM
Tournaments tilt me so bad...I haven't played one in like a year I think.

Barton
09-07-2007, 05:09 PM
Tournaments tilt me so bad...I haven't played one in like a year I think.
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I'm actually curious about a good strategy for these HORSE tournies. They get between 60-80 players and pay the final 8 (I cashed 3 of 6 so far but best was 4th). Since it's FL and 1/2 the games are hi/lo no one goes out for awhile. When it gets down to 15 or so players your playing like 800/1600 and stacks are like 10K. No one seems to ever have an M bigger than 5 or 6.

Kunugaa
09-07-2007, 08:43 PM
Stud 8 makes my head spin. You should be happy you can even describe a hand as you are almost certainly a minority.

The same with PLO, but thats because it is a silly game, variance brings me out in a rash.

Barton
09-08-2007, 12:02 AM
Stud 8 makes my head spin. You should be happy you can even describe a hand as you are almost certainly a minority.

The same with PLO, but thats because it is a silly game, variance brings me out in a rash.
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I had forgotten that possibly the most annoying thing in poker is playing razz.

You start with something like (A2) 34 and some moron with Q8 showing starts raising and reraising then you end up with a hand like aces full

bojazi
09-08-2007, 02:13 PM
Tournaments tilt me so bad...I haven't played one in like a year I think.
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the plo 999 hand is an instant call imo. love the posts tho, bring some hand content. the reason set is instant call is becuase obv u are up vs massive draws, however most times with 3 people in, they are sharing cards, that being said, stack off and rebuy due to losin a race

rteska
10-24-2007, 06:29 AM
Chip I agree with your folding of 2nd set. You don't have much if any positive equity in that pot. You are right that you will run into top set more than not in that spot and if not then you are up against at least 1 draw that has you at a disadvantage. Really he only way you have the best of it in that spot is if they both have big draws but since the spades would overlap it is not likely. Nice Fold, bad result.

OPmgrCHIP
10-24-2007, 03:52 PM
Chip I agree with your folding of 2nd set. You don't have much if any positive equity in that pot. You are right that you will run into top set more than not in that spot and if not then you are up against at least 1 draw that has you at a disadvantage. Really he only way you have the best of it in that spot is if they both have big draws but since the spades would overlap it is not likely. Nice Fold, bad result.
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Exactly what I was thinking at the time. The most important thing is doing whats correct based on how your read the hand. Since that is how I read the hand I think I made the right play.

cainer
10-26-2007, 01:22 AM
here is a simple one, i think

You are on the button of a $0.25-$0.50 no limit game. You have queen-10 offsuit. 3 players have limped into the pot and u decide to limp as well and see a flop. The flop is a rainbow of 4-6- queen. The small blind checks and the big blind bets $2 into a $3 pot. two more callers call the $2, what is your play? I personally felt that this was not a hand i wanted to go further with, even if there was a good chance i could be winning. Sure enough at the end, i would have won with a better kicker. Oddly, two other guys also had a queen and both their kickers were lower then my ten.

Is this a good play to fold this hand in a situation like this?

Barton
10-27-2007, 12:45 AM
here is a simple one, i think

You are on the button of a $0.25-$0.50 no limit game. You have queen-10 offsuit. 3 players have limped into the pot and u decide to limp as well and see a flop. The flop is a rainbow of 4-6- queen. The small blind checks and the big blind bets $2 into a $3 pot. two more callers call the $2, what is your play? I personally felt that this was not a hand i wanted to go further with, even if there was a good chance i could be winning. Sure enough at the end, i would have won with a better kicker. Oddly, two other guys also had a queen and both their kickers were lower then my ten.

Is this a good play to fold this hand in a situation like this?
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I wouldnt play it to begin with lol

cainer
10-27-2007, 12:05 PM
I wouldnt play it to begin with lol
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I normally dont play it either, but, so many players limped into the pot ahead of me and i did have the button lol Would u have folded however after the flop?

Barton
10-27-2007, 07:36 PM
I normally dont play it either, but, so many players limped into the pot ahead of me and i did have the button lol Would u have folded however after the flop?
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Ya I fold to any pressure. If I play I'm looking to hit a big draw or trips or something. I'm not going anywhere with top pair. Though I'm sure these things are greatly effected by stakes and who the other players are.

CrushU
10-28-2007, 11:34 AM
Did you have any reads on these players?

Was the flop rainbow?

Was it 6 handed or full ring?

stack sizes?

So much missing info that goes into every play in NL.

bojazi
10-28-2007, 02:35 PM
the q10 hand, i could see u playing on the button, but if i did, which i prolly wouldnt, i make a big riase perflop.

3 limpers, so maybe 3.50 or so

and try to play it HU post flop,

NL is most profitable when u elimainte the players preflop, and focus playing 1-1, where most times u both miss the flop.

if i hit the q, i maybe play it cautiously, or fold, being that i dont like losing alot of money to unraised pots