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ange_exalte
02-27-2008, 08:00 PM
I saw this hand payed out live at Red Rock last night, I want to know what you guys think about the guy who played KK:

It's 1/2 NL

Hero: KK
Villain 1: xx
Villain 2: xx

Hero raises to $15 preflop
Villain 1 goes all in for $29
Villian #2 calls
Hero cant raise because of the $1 shortage so has to just call

Flop:
8s6c5s

Villain 2 checks
Hero bets 65$
Villain calls

Turn:
5c

Villain bets out $100
(see that board is now coordinated, paired and has 2 to 2 different flushes)
Hero Calls (Villain is now all in)

River: 7d

I will tell you how the hand ended up after some critiques of our heroes play.
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a little more info:

The stack sizes were Villain A 29$, Villain B 194, Hero $391
$15 is high raise preflop standard was 10
The tabe was very tight agressive
KK is UTG, then Villain A who is all in preflop, then villain B who is all in on the turn
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dsepe
02-27-2008, 08:45 PM
Hero's play is pretty standard here... is this a bad beat post disguised as a strategy question?

were you actually debating whether or not to call a $100 all-in getting 3.2 to 1 odds?

there are a ton of draws on the baord as well as tons of overpairs that you still beat.. AUTO-CALL

ange_exalte
02-27-2008, 09:03 PM
Here is why i view it as strategy (more like discipline):

Well, Villain A had 9d10d and Vilain B had 44, both made a straight on the river. This hand sucked for me as the hero was my husband. He sat down with $200 and doubled it, I told him I was hungry but he said what for the dealer change and we can get some food. When the dealer change happens I ask him and he said I am $9 short of $400 so let me take down one more pot, after about ten minutes he asked me for 15 more minutes, and in the middle of that is when he lost this hand. Then he was so mad he didnt even get me food So how do people feel about putting an absolute money amount to play until? Does it cause more trouble than its worth?

Also note: what is wrong with this hand? the Hero shoud have been able to raise preflop considering the $2 blind the raise was only $13, thus the villains all in was more than the original raise but the dealer didnt do the math right

ange_exalte
02-27-2008, 09:06 PM
Apparently no one else did either

Barton
02-27-2008, 09:26 PM
I told him I was hungry but he said what for the dealer change and we can get some food. When the dealer change happens I ask him and he said I am $9 short of $400 so let me take down one more pot, after about ten minutes he asked me for 15 more minutes, and in the middle of that is when he lost this hand. Then he was so mad he didnt even get me food So how do people feel about putting an absolute money amount to play until? Does it cause more trouble than its worth?



I know when I do anything like that. Wait for the blind, try to get even, try to make 200 rather than 180 I always lose

GangStar
02-27-2008, 10:13 PM
All players involved are fish.

End strategy.

ange_exalte
02-27-2008, 11:09 PM
All players involved are fish.

End strategy.

Do you think hero is fish?

riverrunner
02-28-2008, 09:51 AM
Villian 2 is betting $100 to win $65 knowing he still needs to beat all-in villian 1 to win the rest of the pot. Depending on player that makes it less likely a complete bluff but a hand that can showdown and has a chance to improve. Hero has a hand that isn't improving, but is likely best. So without any further betting to be occuring when the draws do come in or miss, it's not that hard to play the hand.

I doubt I'd let it affect my dinner plans though regardless of outcome. If it did, then yes hero may have fish tendencies. But then again he had to play a hand with someone else hovering over him with other players obviously aware that he's trying to win 1 more pot.

ange_exalte
02-28-2008, 02:05 PM
Villian 2 is betting $100 to win $65 knowing he still needs to beat all-in villian 1 to win the rest of the pot. Depending on player that makes it less likely a complete bluff but a hand that can showdown and has a chance to improve. Hero has a hand that isn't improving, but is likely best. So without any further betting to be occuring when the draws do come in or miss, it's not that hard to play the hand.

I doubt I'd let it affect my dinner plans though regardless of outcome. If it did, then yes hero may have fish tendencies. But then again he had to play a hand with someone else hovering over him with other players obviously aware that he's trying to win 1 more pot.

That's what I said, that maybe he played/reacted different because i was there, considering he plays 3-4 nights a week and never comes back with even money like that. It leads me to believe he was showing off for my benefit. When I asked him he said he wanted me there (as I am a player too and he wanted to critique his plays later). Also he specifically asked me to come with him as I usually stay home and play online when he goes out. So I am not sure what to do about that. :huh:

Barton
02-28-2008, 04:24 PM
The whole point, which all of us know intellectually but few of us (including me) are capable of doing, is to get a mindset that short term results are completely meaningless. Bad beats, rushes, session time, it's all meaningless.

riverrunner
02-28-2008, 11:54 PM
The whole point, which all of us know intellectually but few of us (including me) are capable of doing, is to get a mindset that short term results are completely meaningless. Bad beats, rushes, session time, it's all meaningless.

Especially when it comes to dinner. Gotta enjoy a good meal regardless of the recency of the beats.


Read Elements of Poker, good stuff.

Barton
02-29-2008, 12:13 AM
I can remember back in my wild and crazy days. Playing 15/30 FL at the casino. I'm down something like 2500. I come back to literally down I think it was 45$ but I want to leave even. After about a 35 hour session I left broke at -3500.

IDontTilt
02-29-2008, 05:24 AM
I can remember back in my wild and crazy days. Playing 15/30 FL at the casino. I'm down something like 2500. I come back to literally down I think it was 45$ but I want to leave even. After about a 35 hour session I left broke at -3500.

35 hours :O that must be some kind of record lol

Barton
02-29-2008, 12:52 PM
Not even close to a record my personal record was 53 (that's leaving the table only to pee, no meals). There are degenerates who have done at least dbl that, and you don't want to be smelling them near the end.

ange_exalte
02-29-2008, 02:37 PM
Not even close to a record my personal record was 53 (that's leaving the table only to pee, no meals). There are degenerates who have done at least dbl that, and you don't want to be smelling them near the end.

rofl :silvio:

mewalrus
02-29-2008, 03:54 PM
Ive put in about 20 hours straight live, from 3pm until the next day. I think at 7 am everyone at my table had been there at least 10-12 hours. lol its a sick addiction. Luckily I can do it and not lose money thanks to this site. I'm not someone who likes to lose money.

Barton
02-29-2008, 04:03 PM
I gave up those marathons after I was driving home doing 65 on the interstate, fell asleep at the wheel. I drifted off the road, bounced off a snowbank and right back into my travel lane. Not even a dent in the car. Now that's what I call running good;)

ange_exalte
02-29-2008, 05:15 PM
My longest live stint was 12 hours, but I have played for up to 16 hours straight online and usually play 8-12 hours 5-6 days a week.

fredgil
02-29-2008, 06:23 PM
me and a friend used to go to atlantic city every weds morning, getting there around nine, and we would sit at a 10/20 stud table until about 5 pm thurs night. just because we had to be somewhere by 9

ange_exalte
02-29-2008, 06:44 PM
Aaaah, living the life....

IDontTilt
02-29-2008, 09:19 PM
Not even close to a record my personal record was 53 (that's leaving the table only to pee, no meals). There are degenerates who have done at least dbl that, and you don't want to be smelling them near the end.

Lmfao. Oh my god Barton. That's insane lol. I'm glad you got home safe!!
Me...I usually only play online as I dont really know any poker players here. Most likely 8+ hours a day. But sometimes I do a couple of all niters too and play like a maniac. :cool:

Barton
02-29-2008, 10:29 PM
I think online is tougher. I play even 5 hrs I want to put a gun to my head.

Centralize
04-29-2008, 12:21 PM
The whole point, which all of us know intellectually but few of us (including me) are capable of doing, is to get a mindset that short term results are completely meaningless. Bad beats, rushes, session time, it's all meaningless.

tbh, I am really starting to doubt this. I really feel I play better when I'm losing, and I also 'want' to play more. When I'm winning I get bored.

fwiw I play up to 50/100 lhe usually 20/40+

Is this something I should address?

C