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viffer
04-27-2009, 04:49 AM
So I played in my first ever live tourney last night. Just a local game down the pub. Just a bit of fun. I hate tourneys and hate NL so it was the social side that appealed.

I found it very different playing face to face. I was surprised at how much I was influenced by not wanting to look like an idiot. I look an idiot all the time on line and never bat an eyelid, but somehow these people's opinions mattered a bit more. I think that will go as I relax into it more.

I also found it difficult keeping track of pot / stack sizes. the chip colours had an agreed value so for example a blue (with 10) on it was actually a 50 so it took me a while to work out what was what but again that will come with time. I finished mid table when short stacked I'm all in with AQ to an AJ on an xJJ board... That game is rigged I tell ya :p

Couple of questions though. First on strategy...

I got into a hand from SB and flopped an OESD. By the time it was back to me, there were two others in the hand and given the pot size I was being given great odds for the draw. In a cash game, it was a no brainer, but in a tourney, it hurt my stack and left me short stacked. Any advice for draws in tourneys?

Second question is on form...

I was UTG and the hand ended with the BB getting knocked out. So the button moves on and I am now in SB position and post. Button says I need to post the BB and SB is not posted. There was disagrement at the table but Button was forceful enough about it that that's what happened. The next hand, I end up posting SB guy to my left posts BB and button kept the button for a second hand....So instead of me having an advantage of missing a BB, he had the advantage of being button twice. Would seem to me that having both a BB and SB posted would be the right thing but i don't know. any comments?

Barton
04-27-2009, 07:24 AM
Different casino's have different rulesand it can grt confusing depeding on who is kncked out, but the bottom line is you can never miss your blind. and you can never be forced to pay your blind twice

I'm trying to remember exactly the correct way of doing it but I've been up all night and it escapes me at the moment. Weird shit ca happen depending on who an how many get knocked out.

bill d dog
04-27-2009, 11:58 PM
cash games:
p4e plays the scenario that the button insisted on,
button holds, u pay bb, no sb.
wpex plays that the button advances, u pay sb,
& next person pays bb, so u get a round(less 1 hand),
payn only the small blind.
other casinos may have another dif variation,
so i guess its mostly by house rule.
unfortunatly for u, mr forceful made the house rule.
a good tourney dealer should rule
& it should be consistant through the room.

bill d dog
04-28-2009, 12:16 AM
i know some people say u should alter your play
for different stages of tourney, tourney play vs cash game - etc.
to me u should play every hand to the best of your ability.
if u felt like u were getting good odds for the call,
it shouldnt matter too much whether its cash or tourney.
if its not a re-buy -
u might want a slightly better odd in a tourney situation,
than u might accept in a cash hand.

viffer
04-28-2009, 05:15 AM
It was great odds and there was a real chance to triple up if it hit.

It was a really odd format. Everyone (including those that bust out) got a free buy in at the break. Of course the blinds were so high that it became shove or fold for those who had already bust.

There were no house dealers (just a pub game) and the organiser was also playing (not at my table), but I might have a chat with them next time ahead of the game to establish the rule.

GottaFold
04-28-2009, 02:09 PM
Any casino that I've played at or worked at around here, you would post the big blind and there would be no small blind. Then on the next hand, you would post the small blind and the button would be on the empty seat. Sounds like they did it correctly to me. They should have had the button on the empty seat instead of letting that guy have it twice, but if no one comes to fill the empty seat on that hand then it makes no difference anyways.

bcblack182
04-30-2009, 05:34 PM
i know some people say u should alter your play
for different stages of tourney, tourney play vs cash game - etc.
to me u should play every hand to the best of your ability.
if u felt like u were getting good odds for the call,
it shouldnt matter too much whether its cash or tourney.
if its not a re-buy -
u might want a slightly better odd in a tourney situation,
than u might accept in a cash hand.

You can actually calculate all this stuff based on payouts and chip counts etc...

Read the book "kill everyone" it explains it really well.

Barton
04-30-2009, 06:05 PM
I was UTG and the hand ended with the BB getting knocked out.


It's even more fun when the small blind gets knocked out.

Remember the 2 rules, no one can miss a blind, and no one has to pay either blind twice. We will leave it to my students to work it out:p

Cornholio
04-30-2009, 10:10 PM
It's even more fun when the small blind gets knocked out.

Remember the 2 rules, no one can miss a blind, and no one has to pay either blind twice. We will leave it to my students to work it out:p
No problem. Button stays put (or moves to the empty seat if you like), BB from last hand posts SB, player to left of previous BB pays BB.

Barton
05-01-2009, 12:36 AM
That puts the sb in front of the BB (my fault i should of msde clear that cant happen either)

Barton
05-01-2009, 12:37 AM
hint, there can be more than 2 blinds

Barton
05-01-2009, 12:42 AM
BTW Foxwoods and I'm sure lots of other casinos did this all wrong

viffer
05-01-2009, 05:18 AM
hint, there can be more than 2 blinds

ugh??? :coz:

UTG is now BB, BB is now SB. SB is knocked out but empty seat is button, effectively letting button stay in place.


Hmm, if both blinds get knocked out... UTG posts BB, no SB posted and button stands?

What situation would call for 3 blinds?

I'm glad a computer works all this stuff out for me normally:p

Barton
05-01-2009, 12:19 PM
It's because you want to "repair " the situation as quickly as possible, and you want button to keep moving.


Now I'm getting confused I havent been at a casino table in 8 years

Cornholio
05-01-2009, 05:09 PM
That puts the sb in front of the BB (my fault i should of msde clear that cant happen either)
I don't follow you here... Let's look at it graphically:

__A___B___C___D

__o___SB__BB

Player B gets knocked out:

__A___ ___C___D

__o_______SB__BB

bcblack182
05-01-2009, 05:23 PM
Thanks for that post Cornholio, it really made this thread easier to understand. :)

Barton
05-01-2009, 10:31 PM
Lets see if I can remember. And BTW I don't think any of the online sites do this.

I'm the button and sb gets knocked out. BB now becomes sb but he is also on the button so he posts his sb on the button. The next guy cant miss a big blind so he posts a BB one seat after the button and the guy after him also posts a BB so it wont be screwed up the next hand.

Next hand button moves we again have sb on button sb in the 1 seat and BB in the 2 seat, then after that things are back to normal.


And there's a real good chance I said something wrong there in my haste lol).

I should of included the 3rd rule button must always move. there can't be a dead button.

rawdawg_7
05-02-2009, 01:14 AM
When the small blind gets knocked out, the button moves to his position and is a "dead button". The BB from the previous hand is the SB and the person to his left is the BB.

Barton
05-02-2009, 02:31 AM
that's the way the online rooms do it we (I) am contending this is incorrect.

viffer
05-04-2009, 04:42 AM
Played this live game again last night... was much better prepared with what happened to the blinds and was able to be a bit more opinionated on how it worked, so thanks guys. Finished 4th :D... just call me Mr Bubble :(.